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Offline Maligner

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Airsoft! Does anyone engage in this or have info?
« on: May 27, 2012, 11:05:58 AM »
Hey I've stumbled on a sport that's been around a while but that I never really paid any attention to and that's Airsoft. Basically, it's like paintball but with guns that shoot plastic BB's, including biodegradable BB's. Also the guns are mostly models of real guns and look pretty realistic, for the most part.

Does anyone play? If so, can you give pointers? Advice on best places to buy or play? I live on the west side of Houston, Texas. I've found some info of groups in the area, but the only place I've tried to look up was a store with a website and I could not find the store. I'd rather get my info from people with a known reputation or that aren't trying to sell me something!

I was always intrigued by paintball but it looked expensive from an ammo standpoint and the guns operate on compressed gases. The airsoft guns look more relistic and are electrically operated, though some guns are gas operated if you prefer. Also BB's are much cheaper. If you don't know what Airsoft is there are numerous interesting and informative videos on YouTube.

This Frenchman uses a sniper rig and a home-made ghilla suit. He has a rear facing, muzzle mounted camera, a head mounted camera and a above scope mounted camera zoomed in with crosshairs added post processing. He has a few other sniper videos. Also be sure to check out his glider videos, they are awesome!

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These blokes in Scotland have a great time and use all sorts of period costume and weapons, including modern dress and weapon styles. The video poster is scoutthedoggie and he has several dozen videos so you can find a lot of action from his videos.

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This guy made a home-made howitzer that shoots a Nerf projectile with whistles attached. It's pretty awesome just to see it. He has some older videos of smaller and earlier versions that use a brass shell that recoils and ejects the brass, but this larger and newer version has purposely been kept simple, as he states early in the video.

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There is even a Vulcan minigun Airsoft! It's high dollar to buy one and some people make their own.

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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2012, 11:32:35 AM »
My son has an airsoft "shotgun" (shaped like a shotgun, but single projectile). It's spring powered.

I've heard of leagues and such up here as well, but I'm kind of out of that scene.

We bought his at Walmart. I think there's a gap between equipment that's feasible for plink plink and feasible for accuracy in team play though. I don't know the high end of what "pros" shoot at each other, but the 350FPS airsoft my son has is only accurate to about 30 feet. The pellets are very light, after about 30 feet they're at the whim of the wind or whatever.

Though his is essentially sold as a bb-gun. IIRC, there's plenty of warning to never shoot at other people.
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Re: Airsoft! Does anyone engage in this or have info?
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2012, 12:21:36 PM »
From my experience the electric ones shoot better, though you can uh...tweak the CO2 ones to increase the power and get some good oomph from those as well.  However, if you do tweak them, the little pellets really freaking hurt. And leave wicked welts way worse than anything I've received playing paintball.  I have no idea where to get them in texas, our paintball store out here actually sells airsoft guns and that's where we got ours, though we buy our pellets at walmart because they're cheaper.

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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2012, 01:22:27 PM »
I have played both paintball and airsoft and I prefer paintball.  I have played paintball probably well over 100 times and airsoft only a couple, so I might not be 100% accurate on all this but....

Paintball is much more expensive to get into, however, a cheaper paintball gun will work better than a cheaper airsoft gun in terms of distance fired and accuracy.  Airsoft relies entirely on the honor system when people get shot, so that makes a difference depending on who you're playing with.

They're both really fun sports and airsoft is starting to gain in popularity, but it's still easier to find places or people to paintball with than airsoft with.  Although one of the indoor paintball arenas near me now has an airsoft night on Thursdays.

And as Gwill said, the electric guns are much better, but you can make the CO2 ones do crazy stuff.  I've seen pump action airsoft rifles put holes in drywall.

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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2012, 01:53:30 PM »
I've seen pump action airsoft rifles put holes in drywall.

Did you not watch the electric minigun video above?

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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2012, 02:03:35 PM »
I've seen pump action airsoft rifles put holes in drywall.

Did you not watch the electric minigun video above?
Lol, I did, but that's not really something you'd be shooting at other people or taking with you in the woods to play a round with your friends.  Not to mention a basic pump action airsoft rifle is about $30-50.

And if you're talking about the M134 Vulcan, that's shooting 6mm steel BBs. 
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2012, 02:13:13 PM »
I've read up and know quite a bit about the technology. The AEG systems (automatic electric gun) use a battery to drive a motor, which turns gears which pulls the spring loaded plunger back that, when released, forces air to push the projectile. The ways you upgrade these guns are to increase the battery voltage (increases speed of motor), the motor (to handle the stronger spring), the gears (so they don't strip under the greater stresses or if they are junky ones from the factory), the barrel (for a tighter fitting one that is more accurate), and most importantly the spring which is how you get your greatest increase in projectile speed.

The most reliable and coolest guns shoot about 300-350 FPS and yes they can cause some damage. Seems like a decent gun will run anywhere from $150 to $300 which is part of the reason I'm not jumping in head first.

Safety is a must. Most fields require you use a side-arm at short ranges, and if you get the drop on enemies you can just say "bang" and they are dead for the sake of safety.

As stated, the game relies on calling your hits. Good fields and known groups of players should solve this for the most part. Another reason I'm not in a hurry to spend hundreds of dollars to play with people I don't know!  ;)

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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2012, 02:16:14 PM »
Here's another video of the Vulcan using the same plastic ammo as the other airsoft. So, yeah, the people that can afford this weapon will take it to the field and play a regular game. I guess I'm not sure about that other video but I thought it was the plastic ammo too that destroyed the TV.

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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2012, 02:23:51 PM »
This guy uses an M240 airsoft that holds about 4000 rounds. There is a fella they keep talking about that does not call his hits, so that's of interest. Obviously, these support weapons are meant to make the enemy think twice about moving so it's about covering fire and support.

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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2012, 03:20:34 PM »
Airsoft... I jumped right in. Myself and my father in law got ourselves decked out on our guns and came out pretty good. Number one thing I recommend is to buy NEW. I got my gun at a fantastic price with tons of extra's used and I am paying for it. I have had to gut all the electrical in the gun and put in all new electrical myself and I am still trying to iron out the kinks. My father in law learned from my mistake and got his new, still runs like a champ a year later.

Most of the airsoft fields in my area have a strict 350 FPS limit for safety purposes. And I have to admit 350 FPS hurts like an SOB. The honor system works pretty well considering they hurt so much... if they don't call it you keep shooting them. Enough shots to the arms and knuckles and you are bound to call a hit.

I personally enjoy the G36C simply for how versatile it is. It has changeable parts and dis-assembles easy.
Wan't a sniper roll? Slap on the extended barrel and throw on a scope.
Wan't a CQB gun? Fold the stock in and go to town with the iron sights.
Want to use the same M16 mags that your buddies use? Switch out the mag loader.
Want a bigger battery? There is a part for that with more space for the battery.
Don't like the folding stock? (then your crazy) There are parts that will make M16 stocks work with your G36.

I would like to note that the mag loader for the M16 mags is a bit... fickle. It doesn't allow you to slap the mag home, because the M16 mags are smaller you have to line it up just right.

My father in law got a M16, nice gun. Tons of additional gear for M16's as well but not quite as versatile. He also purchased a blow back Colt 1911. That gun didn't last as long. After the first few months it had problems. But I honestly think it was user error. I clean my gun after every use while my father in law doesn't.

Any other questions let me know. Had to fix my hop-up which is a truly amazing device. But I could talk about that forever.

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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2012, 03:32:13 PM »
Blint,

Thanks for the info. Too bad you are in Michigan and I am in Texas...  :'(

Oh, and great point about not calling your hits, especially with the auto guns pelting you. I think it's more of a problem when people are sniping (single shot bolt action guns) and the target thinks they can not call it and not get hit again for their trouble.
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2012, 04:40:28 PM »
No problem! Its sad that the sniper rifles are pretty much pointless. The AEG's shoot just as far as the sniper rifles but can pump out way more per second. You do have less accuracy with AEG's but the difference is slight. You have to find a happy balance between BB size and FPS to equal accuracy.

BUT, I have searched and the highest FPS sniper rifle I have seen is about 550-600 FPS... imagine getting hit with that! Some fields let you take those brutes onto the field so long as you are "X feet away from target".

If you watch the video about the Scottish players in the abandoned mall you can see how some of them have their hop-up turned up high. They practically aim at the ground and the back spin brings them up... Crazy. If you find that video (I might end up looking later) you will know what I am talking about. They use flash bangs and everything.

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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2012, 05:49:34 PM »
I played for awhile...now my guns are collecting dust :(  If you want to learn to disassemble and fix guns I'll hook you up with a real nice M4 and MP5 for cheap ;)

But honestly what you've been told is correct...buy a nice gun, don't go cheap, and you will save money in the long run.  I would highly recommend a metal rifle.  Make sure you get a gun with Hop-Up.  All the nice ones will have it but make sure you do.  This actually puts spin on the BBs kind of like rifling and makes them more accurate and increases the range. 

I would also look into what you want to do and talk to local groups.  Are you more interested in indoor CQB style combat, paintball style capture the flag type games, scenario combat simulation type games?  This is really going to decide the gear you want and have.  Also, it has been my experience that the niche sport has created a pretty cool and helpful group of guys.  Start with making contact with some local groups and talk to players.  If there are groups around often, like many hobbies, the best thing to do is get what they have so they can help you set it up and give you the most info while you learn.  Then get what you want.




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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2012, 06:02:27 PM »
I played for awhile...now my guns are collecting dust :(  If you want to learn to disassemble and fix guns I'll hook you up with a real nice M4 and MP5 for cheap ;)

But honestly what you've been told is correct...buy a nice gun, don't go cheap, and you will save money in the long run.  I would highly recommend a metal rifle.  Make sure you get a gun with Hop-Up.  All the nice ones will have it but make sure you do.  This actually puts spin on the BBs kind of like rifling and makes them more accurate and increases the range. 

I would also look into what you want to do and talk to local groups.  Are you more interested in indoor CQB style combat, paintball style capture the flag type games, scenario combat simulation type games?  This is really going to decide the gear you want and have.  Also, it has been my experience that the niche sport has created a pretty cool and helpful group of guys.  Start with making contact with some local groups and talk to players.  If there are groups around often, like many hobbies, the best thing to do is get what they have so they can help you set it up and give you the most info while you learn.  Then get what you want.

That last paragraph is excellent advice. Well, it's all good but I hadn't thought of that last bit. Thanks!

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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2012, 06:29:55 PM »
I learned that from buying a nice m4 airsoft gun that another guy had and he set it right up easy.  Now I'm working on learning r/c helicopters...did research online and fell for a noob  trap instead of something a guy here has and now I'm stuck with a crappy helicopter that no one likes to learn on.

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