I would go and watch this movie. But I do not see why they includeing the Hulk as avenger which to me he is not.  And the Black Widow which I also do not feel that she is a Advenger either. But I could live with the Black Widow in the movie if she is funny and she has a reason for being a Avenger . But the Hulk has to go and that is what prevented me from watching this movie. I do not personally see why they would include him.

I mean he is a beast a monster and not someone you would think could be a hero. A Villan yes. On top of that.. He is a Mutant which all the other Heros are not. They all are either like Thor or have Armor that makes them a Hero. But Hulk is a Mutant and belongs with the Xmen more than the Avengers.

So yeah Hulk ruined the movie and prevented me from watching it sadly . But that is just my opinion.

Captian Amercia reminds me of Master chief. In fact everything they do to him to make him a super solider reminds me of Master chief

Seen as we on the topic of avengers, was not the original comic version of Thor a scientist/doctor who found the hammer and thus became the mighty Thor? I remember that for the original stuff, but if there has been newer adds to the story........Just curious as Thor really was all about the Greek mythology.

You mean Norse Mythology . But Thor fits in with everyone and he makes sense. But The Hulk is a Mutant that comes out whenever Brunce gets angry. So why would they want a Mutant on a team that is tasked with defending earth ?. He is a lose cannon and I just think he does not belong on the Avengers at all.

Yes i meant Norse, my bad. Been alot of movies lately with the Greek in them.

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Quote from: Snnow on May 08, 2012, 09:21:30 AM

Seen as we on the topic of avengers, was not the original comic version of Thor a scientist/doctor who found the hammer and thus became the mighty Thor? I remember that for the original stuff, but if there has been newer adds to the story........Just curious as Thor really was all about the Greek mythology.

You mean Norse Mythology . But Thor fits in with everyone and he makes sense. But The Hulk is a Mutant that comes out whenever Brunce gets angry. So why would they want a Mutant on a team that is tasked with defending earth ?. He is a lose cannon and I just think he does not belong on the Avengers at all.

Hulk is not a mutant, he is a gamma radiation monster.  And besides the X-men (mutants) save the earth frequently and some of their members are occasional avengers members.  Scarlet Witch, quicksilver and wolverine for example

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Gamma Radiation monster = Mutant no ?. Since i thought it was because of science that the Xmen are the way they are. that and some are born with the powers they have. But Eh I was never really into the super hero type of movies.

Spiderman could be considered a Mutant also right ? . Since his powers came from a special spider that bit him. Although No physical change was noted (( Not that I know of anyway )). He is still not a Human.

Quote from: Lord Azazel on May 08, 2012, 09:14:45 AM

I mean he is a beast a monster and not someone you would think could be a hero. A Villan yes. On top of that.. He is a Mutant which all the other Heros are not. They all are either like Thor or have Armor that makes them a Hero. But Hulk is a Mutant and belongs with the Xmen more than the Avengers.

Technicalities here, but The Hulk was created through an experiment just like Captain America. Granted, and experiment gone terribly wrong, but nonetheless a similar process.

I wouldn't consider the Hulk a villain either, all the depictions of him show he just doesn't understand more then acting out of drive for doing bad or evil.

If you go back to the original comics, you'll find that the Avengers group make up largely changes over time. The Hulk steps out and others come in to replace. Super villains are reformed and brought into the group, etc.

If they were trying to stay true to the original comics though, they missed the boat with the original team makeup. Personally, I don't mind so much as I still thought it was a fantastic movie.

Besides, it's not like we can hold true to any time line as they keep 'rebooting' these things to make them fresh or no. *sighs*  How about some new material people  . . . you can't tell me no one can figure out a new story line or other heros we can read about !

Captian Amercia reminds me of Master Chief and how he was created to be a Super solider. But good point about the Hulk. and I wish they would make new heros and Villans. maybe some ones that fans created ?.

The Hulk isn't a bad guy at all. When Bruce Banner first becomes the hulk hes just uncontrollable because everyone tries to kill him. Tony Stark has him join the avengers because he knows that if the Hulk has something to channel that rage, then he won't just go around destroying stuff. When he has pupose IE big stuff that would cause the Avengers to handle, the Hulk is 100% controlled. Also, techincally there are 3 versions of the hulk that banner can turn into. Only one of those versions is a complete monster that goes nutz and destroys everything, which is what most people think of when they think the hulk.

Also, the reason they changed the makeup of the team, is because the changed the original story that lead up to the avengers anyways. Tony Stark is the one that started the Avengers, not shield. So since shield in this universe started the Avengers It would only make sense that they would add 2 of their own to the mix. Going along with that in the comics Hawkeye was not a member of shield. Hawkeye became a super hero because of Ironman, but when he tried to show his talents it was when Ironman was fighting and it made it look like Hawkeye was a badguy, but he does join the Avengers as one of the first members, just not the founding members.

Captain America also wasn't a founding member. Tony stark had already started the Avengers before Captain America was thawed out, they are the ones that were there when he was found and was thawing out and wanted him to join the Avengers.

As far as Thor goes originally Thor was cursed by his Father Odin that while he was on Earth he had to share his body with a Dr. Donald Blake the one they make references to in the Thor movie. Eventually Thor proves himself to his father and can be on Earth seperately from Donald Blake, but always while hes in Asgard is as himself. Its confusing thats why they changed it for the movie and even in some comics.

The biggest thing about Marvel that is different from even DC is that alot of their origins and backgrounds change from writer to writer, they dont all just follow one solid canon story arch. DC always stays with certain background achs like with batman and superman. I also am a way bigger fan of DC because of it.

All that being said, this was by far my favorite Comic Book movie. I have seen it 3 times already and plan on a 4th too. It had everything a real comic book movie should have. It felt like a comic to me. No backgrounds, no retelling me who each character is, just here is the story, here is the characters. Loved it.

I still haven't made up my mind 100% but this movie may be my favorite movie of all time. (besides Star Wars, but I put Star Wars in a category outside of everything else that will be and can't be touched.)

/nerd off

Basically if you have any questions you should read posts by Mad and Chobo because they are completely correct.  Hulk was an Avenger at times, he is not by any mean a mutant as per marvel universe, Hawkeye was also part of the avengers and if I'm not mistaken, so was Black Widow (though this may have been the "west coast avengers". It is of course your own personal choice to see a movie or not, but your reasons are not accurate. Again, your call but you are definitely missing out on a good film.  I have not red one negative review to date (though personally I preferred Ed Norton to Mark Ruffalo hehe)

Agreed. I'm always willing to answer questions especially about stuff I am passionate about like Comics and I don't know nearly as much about Marvel as I do DC. Yes, Black Widow was part of the Avengers as a member of shield and she does go and be part of the west coast avengers, which they form after being part of the original Avengers so they can have Avengers teams in different parts of the U.S. The New Avengers are my fave.

I hope if they make a second movie, which why shouldn't they over 200 million in the first weekend, I hope they add some people who make a bigger show in the avengers down the line, like Ant man/Giant man, the wasp, Spiderman, Wolverine and Black Panther.