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Re: Game of Thrones: Season 2
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2012, 12:30:34 pm »
Ugh, I am VERY disappointed by the HUGE changes made from the books in Season 2 Episode 2. I'm just going to have to treat this like an alternate timeline, ala Walking Dead.


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Re: Game of Thrones: Season 2
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2012, 01:10:22 pm »
I think most of the changes are to consolidate characters, because there are so many.  Remember GRRM is working with the producers and approves of everything, and he knows TV and the sacrifices needed to put a book to the knife for the medium.


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Re: Game of Thrones: Season 2
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2012, 01:31:00 pm »
SPOILERS -

The only really big change I had a slight issue with was the very ending with Jon Snow.  I mean, in the books, they find out because Ginny tells them, but I always sort of had an issue with that, I didn't feel like Jon would risk so much just on some woman's word at that point.

This way, he freaking see's what's going on.  They ended up getting kicked out of Crasters in the book anyhow didn't they?  Here's a better reason!

What else did I completely miss?  (I didn't remember Bronn being Commander, but I have this suspicion he was for a while then someone else took over...)


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Re: Game of Thrones: Season 2
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2012, 03:54:43 pm »
Oh I don't mind the change to Snow's storyline. The two issues I take umbrage with (and I'll try to cut down on spoilers) are:

1. The change with Dany's bloodriders. That was a silly change that was unnecessary, and it has further implications later in the story. I guess they'll just replace said person with other people during key dialogues and such.
2. The change with Stannis. Holy crap! They just totally made him into a VERY shallow character, and he's not even the same person! Stannis is supposed to be honorable to a fault, to the point of not being human. Now you've got a guy who lets his emotions and lust overtake him, as well as the desire to have an heir being more important than his honor. It also firmly sets him as a "bad guy," and Melisandre as well, when neither of them are explicitly "bad guys" during the novel. It's like the HBO writers going "You're supposed to hate these people, we said so, look at this!"


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Re: Game of Thrones: Season 2
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2012, 04:31:34 pm »
The Stannis and Melisandre scene was always impied to have happened.  They just actually showed it.  That happened Kotagg.  It had to have happened for what's to come to even happen... if you get my drift. I just read a Davos chapter in Storm of Swords that proves this happened too.

Not sure how that scene makes Melisandre look like the bad guy when the whole first episode she is burning the old gods and the Maester Cressen tries to stop her by killing her with poision of which she is immune.  The first episode and The Prologue of the book Clash of Kings pretty much sets up Melissandre as a bad guy and Stannis was never supposed to be a hero.  Davos is the point of view character for a reason and he has always questioned Melisandre and Stannis' beliefs with her religion.

Also Dany's Bloodrider was killed because the actor got a new gig.  He left the show.


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Re: Game of Thrones: Season 2
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2012, 12:12:37 am »
And season 3 is already confirmed!  Back to not reading this thread.
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Re: Game of Thrones: Season 2
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2012, 01:47:12 am »
Ugh Airic, I hate when that crap happens.

That'd be why they didn't fully pull his freaking head out of the bag, did they?

I'm sorry, if you sign up for a show like this, that you absolutely know is going to go on for seasons, be prepared to do it.  Peter Dinklage signed up for 7 seasons, so at least he's around to stay for a while.

I love Melisandre, in the show and as a character.  Woman has some power.  I don't know what it is, but I like it.  I always figured the two of them were screwing, quite a lot too.


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Re: Game of Thrones: Season 2
« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2012, 04:13:39 pm »
There's no point at which it is obvious its happened, Airic. I've read the books over ten times. The implication is there, but part of the issue is the very fact that implication isn't enough.

And Stannis certainly is not a bad guy anywhere in the books, any more than Eddard, Jon, or Dany are "bad guys." he's doing what's right the entire time, and in fact comes across as more "good" than people like Robert, Robb, or Tyrion.

Also, why does burning the seven or being immune to poison make melisandre evil? After all, the most evil person around later on is the head of that seven-god religion. :)
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Re: Game of Thrones: Season 2
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2012, 04:34:07 pm »
SPOILERS!!!!









A Storm Of Swords - pg 347

"You are the mother of darkness.  I saw that under Storm's End, when you gave birth before my eyes."

"Is the brave Ser Onions so frightened of a passing shadow?  Take heart, then.  Shadows only live when given birth by light, and the king's fires burn so low I dare not draw off any more to make another son.  It might well kill him."  Melisandre moved closer.  "With another man, though...a man whose flames still burn hot and high...if you truly wish to serve your king's cause, come to my chamber one night.  I could give you pleasure such as you have never known, and with your life-fire I could make..."

"...a horror." Davos retreated from her.  "I want no part of you, my lady.  Or your god.  May the Seven protect me."



Stannis is doing the right thing in regards that he is the rightful heir, however he kills Renly...how is that Right?




Remember GRRM is Producing this, he greenlights EVERYTHING.  Stannis and Melisandre got it on between the pages.


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Re: Game of Thrones: Season 2
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2012, 05:43:36 pm »
Remember GRRM is Producing this, he greenlights EVERYTHING.  Stannis and Melisandre got it on between the pages.

I'm with Airic here. When I read the books I felt the physical relationship between Stannis and Mel was a given, even though we were never actually given a scene in the book of it happening. I think they specifically showed it on HBO because of the coming scene that Airic mentions.

Speaking of that scene, I'm interested in seeing how they do it. It was freaky just reading about it, I can't even imagine what its going to be like when they show it.
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Re: Game of Thrones: Season 2
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2012, 06:02:23 pm »
That scene alone in the books made me see Mel as a bad guy.


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Re: Game of Thrones: Season 2
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2012, 07:58:47 pm »
That quote doesn't say they had sex at all, Airic. In fact, for your argument there are two other passages that imply it more directly.

And Martin wrote for Beauty and the Beast; he knows TV well, and just because he greenlit this scene doesn't mean that they had sex in the books. Martin understands, just like others who know TV, that a television show is only as effective as the lowest common denominator allows it to be. Thus, "sex sells" here - it's just so much easier for the less-intelligent television audience to understand what is going on with the shadow baby.


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Re: Game of Thrones: Season 2
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2012, 08:42:05 pm »
Kotagg, do you know what's coming?

Because if you know what's coming, you'll know they definitely had sex.  Definitely.


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Re: Game of Thrones: Season 2
« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2012, 11:42:24 pm »
Spoiler Alert for the story in this video!!!!   Much easier to follow if you read the lyrics
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Re: Game of Thrones: Season 2
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2012, 04:17:28 pm »
What do you mean? I said I'd read the books over ten times. :)


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