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Greatsword/Retaliation WvW Build Theorycraft
« on: October 10, 2012, 01:16:57 pm »
Looking for feedback please

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUMQNAR7elYgSDHHyNETeFSmiVyAtKMQVK4n7BrABeVAiA;TgAA1CtoqxUjoGbNuak1A

The main purpose of this build is to be a Greatsword build with heavy use of virtue of justice and intended to proc and sustain retaliation as much as possible. Also using Meditations for teleport (stun-breaker) and 2 condition removal slots.

I used Norn wolf epic for bleeds/lifesteal, the fear mechanic and the 17+ second group buff for regen and fury. Sort of an intermittent use but more utility. Maybe Renewed focus instead for recharging virtues but unsure yet.

I know there is a nerf that is designed to prevent Retal. from being up perm. but I still think this might be viable in that almost everything I do procs it and helps keep it up to turn the tide in many fights I get into.

Thoughts?
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Re: Greatsword/Retaliation WvW Build Theorycraft
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2012, 01:30:03 pm »
The best retaliation you can do right now is to go Hammer and use Mighty Blow in your light fields, that gives you 4 seconds every 5 seconds.  Also, Renewed Focus is probably a must for this since that will allow you to get 24 seconds of Retaliation every 60 seconds.

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Re: Greatsword/Retaliation WvW Build Theorycraft
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2012, 02:05:45 pm »
This is my build currently:

http://www.gw2build.com/builds/simulator.php#1.3.12.5.0.19.13.12.0.31.54.71.67.64.77.1.1.0.0.0.0.167.171.0.0.0.0.198.205.204.216.219.0.0.20.0.30.20

The thing I really like about it is that with 15 point into Radiance, with large packs of mobs my VoJ is almost always up.  I also use Renewed Focus for my elite skill.

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Re: Greatsword/Retaliation WvW Build Theorycraft
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2012, 02:06:07 pm »
The best retaliation you can do right now is to go Hammer and use Mighty Blow in your light fields, that gives you 4 seconds every 5 seconds.  Also, Renewed Focus is probably a must for this since that will allow you to get 24 seconds of Retaliation every 60 seconds.

So then what about this:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUMQJARSlYgSDHHyNEfYFSWhVyqwAVpgfuHMFEYGdVAiA;TgAA1CtoqxUjoGbNuak1A

Here would be my opening rotation:

Judge's Intervention (port to target) > Zealot's Embrace (for immobilize) > Ring of Warding(trap my prey put down combo field) > Mighty Blow (combo finish put on retal.) > WEAPON SWAP GS (situational from here regarding greatsword skills if target is running etc).

Does this sound about right?
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Re: Greatsword/Retaliation WvW Build Theorycraft
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2012, 03:15:44 pm »
The best retaliation you can do right now is to go Hammer and use Mighty Blow in your light fields, that gives you 4 seconds every 5 seconds.  Also, Renewed Focus is probably a must for this since that will allow you to get 24 seconds of Retaliation every 60 seconds.

So then what about this:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUMQJARSlYgSDHHyNEfYFSWhVyqwAVpgfuHMFEYGdVAiA;TgAA1CtoqxUjoGbNuak1A

Here would be my opening rotation:

Judge's Intervention (port to target) > Zealot's Embrace (for immobilize) > Ring of Warding(trap my prey put down combo field) > Mighty Blow (combo finish put on retal.) > WEAPON SWAP GS (situational from here regarding greatsword skills if target is running etc).

Does this sound about right?
That build kind of seems all over the place. 

http://www.gw2build.com/builds/simulator.php#1.3.11.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.55.74.72.73.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.166.0.0.181.186.192.196.204.0.212.0.0.0.10.30.20.10
That's more along the lines of what I would do.  With the amount of Meditations you're using it would be silly to not take advantage of that through Monk's Focus.  Elite wouldn't matter since it doesn't have the retaliation on virtues buff.  But a little thing I noticed, Healer's Retribution stacks 4 times when you use Healing Breeze since it heals 4 times.  That gives you 12 seconds of retaliation :D

Also, get your crit as high as you can w/ a build like this.  40% crit is a good area.  The reason is because you gain vigor on crit, which allows you to dodge a ton.  Every time you dodge you'll heal yourself and everybody around for about 1200.  It's invaluable.   With hammer I like to dodge after my autoattack applies the symbol then I use Mighty Blow to leap back in.

Also, save your Zealot's Embrace and Ring of Warding for when you need to keep somebody in or out of the fights.  Hammer isn't a very involved weapon, it's mostly just spamming 1 and 2. 

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Re: Greatsword/Retaliation WvW Build Theorycraft
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2012, 04:43:12 pm »
I don't know about all over the place. The primary function of the build was to be a GS build to help proc ret.

I changed the traits to allow the 20% 2-handed recharge but the hammer is really just a utility for trapping targets and another vehicle to apply ret.

I can't really see your build because the site wants me to watch some stupid video before I can use the builder and I'm not going to do that.  :(

Thanks for the feedback though! I'm gonna test it for a bit and see what happens.
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Re: Greatsword/Retaliation WvW Build Theorycraft
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2012, 04:57:36 pm »
I don't know about all over the place. The primary function of the build was to be a GS build to help proc ret.

I changed the traits to allow the 20% 2-handed recharge but the hammer is really just a utility for trapping targets and another vehicle to apply ret.

I can't really see your build because the site wants me to watch some stupid video before I can use the builder and I'm not going to do that.  :(

Thanks for the feedback though! I'm gonna test it for a bit and see what happens.
If you really want to continue to use Greatsword for that I feel like you're going to be disappointed.  For retaliation now, Hammer is the much better choice.

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