No Asura here...

oh Duck ... that made me laugh 

Well... it's hiding something :|

Quote from: nautix on August 16, 2012, 01:03:47 PM

An asura can hide behind an object much easier then a norn or a charr can as well. :|

Something to test would be if tab targeting allows you to still target that ashura based on equivalent sized hit boxes even though the character model is hidden behind a smaller object.

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Tab targetting will select them.  Also, their name will be hovering over the wall, and you are able to click the space below their name, which would be their hitbox, to target them.  You could also just aim a fireball at the space between the wall and the enemy's name and you'll hit the guy, too.

By refusing to take a legitimate factor into account with something that involves the cognitive processes of the brain, you are nullifying your own claim. Along with that, one should take, or do their best to take, a multi-dimensional approach to figuring out a problem or explaining a phenomenon. Failing to do so would not fair so well when trying to make a claim.

While your claim of experience is one factor of this big equation, I fail to agree with you when you disclaim that size has nothing to do with PvP. It is important to keep in mind that nothing in this world works by one aspect, or a few aspects. There are too many variables to take into consideration to do so. It would be silly.

Bigger targets that are easier to see will be a focal point when it comes to targeting. Easier targets make for easier focus in terms of watching them. Smaller targets pose a larger threat when it comes to keeping your eye on them. When the eye takes more time to focus in on something smaller, as compared to taking less time to focus on a larger target, that is more time that is taken, and more time that you could make a mistake.

Let us just say that there are many different things that take into play when considering targeting within a game. With experience and time, the mind can be conditioned to not be so heavily reliant on the factor of size. By learning, we can enhance the effectiveness of our game play and targeting skills, which is where you are making your claims. However, it [size] will always play a factor in how we cognitively perceive the game, the world, and life in general. The degree to which it affects us is a different matter completely.

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Chase
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The hit boxes are the same size across all races and are based on the largest size possible for the Norn which is 10 feet tall. So... a 3 foot tall Asura will have a 10 foot tall hitbox. Yes... their small size will be a slight advantage when standing next to a Norn due to how small they are but that's what tab targeting is for (as well as semi-free aim on spells).

As for them being targeted first? I have no idea. It really depends on the enemy of who they want to focus on.

This, though from a psychology standpoint you will probably attract more attention from people who will have the subconscious thought of crap look  at the size of that.

By refusing to take a legitimate factor into account with something that involves the cognitive processes of the brain, you are nullifying your own claim. Along with that, one should take, or do their best to take, a multi-dimensional approach to figuring out a problem or explaining a phenomenon. Failing to do so would not fair so well when trying to make a claim.

While your claim of experience is one factor of this big equation, I fail to agree with you when you disclaim that size has nothing to do with PvP. It is important to keep in mind that nothing in this world works by one aspect, or a few aspects. There are too many variables to take into consideration to do so. It would be silly.

Bigger targets that are easier to see will be a focal point when it comes to targeting. Easier targets make for easier focus in terms of watching them. Smaller targets pose a larger threat when it comes to keeping your eye on them. When the eye takes more time to focus in on something smaller, as compared to taking less time to focus on a larger target, that is more time that is taken, and more time that you could make a mistake.

Let us just say that there are many different things that take into play when considering targeting within a game. With experience and time, the mind can be conditioned to not be so heavily reliant on the factor of size. By learning, we can enhance the effectiveness of our game play and targeting skills, which is where you are making your claims. However, it [size] will always play a factor in how we cognitively perceive the game, the world, and life in general. The degree to which it affects us is a different matter completely.

BB,
Chase
Mixter Yosei Hecate
Bona Dea Ubume
Atlanta Neith

Bunch of mumbo-jumbo.  I'll put it this way - for someone like ME it makes little difference as to the size and look of a character/toon.  I'm not primarily looking at your toon when targeting...I'm looking at cues from the targeting UI for cues as to what type of profession you are and what kind of buffs, bubbles, shields, etc you may have on that clue me in as to what defensive or offensive spec you are and your profession.

You may want to over complicate the matter by digging into the subconscious.  But this is just for newbie players who will target anything in front of them.  If you are discussing: what will a fail player target first?  My answer to this question is - whatever they tab target to next.  If you are discussing: what are the chances a good and smart player will target first a small or big character - my answer would be depends on your profession, buffs, etc. nothing to do with how big or small your toon is.  How threatning a player looks has nothing to do with how threatning they are and a smart PvPr will know the difference.

In both instances given - looks have nothing to do with it.  If the question is, how easy is it to hide inside landscape items...that question is obvious - does it really need to be asked?  The original post mentioned targeting, I assume he means in a fast and active environment or in middle of a fight.  For ME the size of your toon means nothing...your actual toon is probably the fourth visual cue I look at when I'm selecting targets within reach.  And when I do look at your toon, I'm looking at weapon and gear.  The size of your character doesnt even exist in my list of decision factors for selecting priority factors.

It's also easier to LOS with an asura.

I don't know what you mean here.  You can't line of sight with an Asura any easier than you can with a Norn.  At least mechanic wise.  Sure a player might not see your character, but your nameplate will still be visible and you will still be targettable same as a Norn would be.

There are real advantages and disadvantages to size in sPVP.

As many know - I've spent a vast majority of my Beta time in sPVP and know it will affect WvW in the same way.

Size will have no advantage obviously in PVE.

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SIZE vs players with less Experience

Size will have more of an impact vs less experienced players.

Yes Asura are harder to see (however you can still see their names above their heads if they are trying to hide).  You can break LoS easier.

Yes Norn and Charr are more intimidating.  If a player with less experience see a Norn or Charr warrior doing Whirling Axe you are more likely to kite or flee or play defensive (be scared) than a little Asura (less intimidating).

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SIZE vs players with more Experience

Size will have less of an impact vs more experienced players.

The above advantages / disadvantages will not apply vs more experienced players.

However, a roaming large character will be easier to spot roaming than a small one (always).

There could also be a real advantage to having large size for certain professions (this has been brought up in many forums but not confirmed).  An example is the guardian bubbles are bigger on larger character.  It is unknown if these larger bubbles produce a larger push back and area control (my study on it is - they do) - vs a smaller player's bubbles being smaller.  Larger bubbles means easier to push people off of nodes and hide others in Sanctuary.

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Ultimately good players won't care and will realize that it won't really impact competitive game play all that much so pick the one you want.